Is Glenn Beck a Christian Now?

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Is Glenn Beck a Christian Now?

(October 11, 2010; Ed Decker and Robert Marino)

I felt I needed to do this article and Ed Decker has given me permission to use his articles in teaching the Body of Christ about Mormonism and to keep people up on what is going on. Also, I love conservative talk radio but have learned to eat the meat and spit out the bones. I hadn't listened to Glenn Beck's radio program in a while but I just happened to turn it on the very day famous minister James Robison was on the program. James was giddy as a young Catholic schoolgirl over Glenn Beck's supposed “Christian” faith or conversion. I heard it right out of James and his wife's mouth. I think God sometimes leads me to certain things at the right moment. Problem is you can't be both Mormon and Christian. You can't become a GOD someday of your own planet, believe that there is more than one God and that God was created or birthed by some other God of some other planet and call yourself a Christian. That flies against all orthodox Christian doctrine. I was actually going to email Ed Decker about this but figured someone else would so he could do a little expounding on this matter. We have to remember as Christians that many say they believe in the same Jesus but if you read WHO Jesus is in the scriptures, you will find out that it isn't the same Jesus but a perverted view of Jesus. Most Christians are following another Jesus. Some of the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention have even recently stated that “if we take the words of Christ serious [and they should], then only about 10% to 15% of the people in our denominations are truly saved.” People today believe they can continue on in fornication, adultery, idolatry, stealing, lying, covetousness, and so on.

Only in America can you live a totally unholy, unrepentant and almost totally selfish life and still call yourself a Christian. God is not easily fooled though and I believe that is why He said, “Many shall say unto me in that day (Day of Judgment) - Lord, Lord and He will say unto them - depart from me ye workers of lawlessness (iniquity) and I never knew you.”

My preaching or teaching is in red. Below is Ed's newsletter and also part of a conversation he had with an individual.

What is the problem with Glenn Beck??

I have almost [not quite] reached the point of pulling out what remaining hair I have left over this issue. Glenn Beck made what would seem to be a solid Christian confession of faith/salvation on his TV program and many emails came my way praising his stand for Christ.

Apparently, his confession was openly received by some key Christian leaders, like Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and more recently by James Robison who, while on Beck's program, stated that while they had a few minor `issues', they were on the same team.

What team is that - the team that is teeming with deception?

I wanted to shout, “What team are you on, James?”

However wonderful were the words that Glenn Beck spoke, there is a major problem. If Beck were truly “saved”, he would have to renounce the false doctrines of demons that rule the LDS church and its people.

One of the problems we face in understanding what Glenn said and what his words meant is that in “Mormon-speak” the words mean entirely different things to the Mormon and the biblical Christian. Let me list just 3 here for you.

To the Mormon, God is an exalted man from another planet who is now the god of this world only and has a god above him who has a god above him who has… But understand that to the Christian, God is the Creator of all, the heavens and the universes. He said there were no gods before Him, beside Him or after Him. I think He should know.

Same word - but they have totally different meanings.

To the Christian, Jesus is the Word made Flesh, the Savior from before time began, conceived by the Holy Ghost.

To the Mormon, Jesus was born as a spirit being on a planet near the great star Kolob, in an act of sex between their god and one of his many, polygamous goddesses. He was selected at a council of gods to be the `savior' of this world. He was chosen over his brother, Lucifer. The LDS god came down and had sex with his spirit daughter, Mary and begat him in the flesh.

Same word - but they have totally different meanings.

To the Christian, Salvation is a result of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross of Calvary, where He paid the penalty for our sins `once and for all.' All we must do to receive it and eternal life is to accept it.

And to come to God with a repentant heart and to turn from one's sins as I am sure Ed believes but just left out. There must be forensic proof of regeneration (having been born again) in a person's life if they have been truly saved.

To the Mormon, Salvation is two-fold, the first is only the General salvation, and it is the gift of physical resurrection for ALL mankind, given through Christ's death at Calvary.

The second is Personal salvation that comes in part, through Christ's suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane, were LDS prophets say he sweat great drops of blood for our sins, conditional on our obedience to all the laws and ordinances of the [LDS] gospel.

Same word - but they have totally different meanings.

Beck's Church claims that they have the only authority to act in the name of God on earth, all other churches are abominations in God's eyes, all those who profess the doctrines of orthodox Christianity are corrupt, and all their pastors are hirelings of Satan.

I learned that personally, as a Mormon, in the most sacred place of all Mormondom, the LDS Temple ritual. Is this the same team you are on, James Robison?

Glenn Beck can tear up and rub his eyes all he wants, but if he is really `saved' he needs to drop the double-talk and leave the LDS church. If he won't declare himself, he is a cultist, playing mind-games that foolish people take for truth. At least take off the magic Mormon underwear, Beck!

I'm sorry. LOL. I couldn't help myself on that one. You just had to go there Ed, didn't you? It put a smile on my face though. Truth is truth. Some of us are just willing to tell you people the truth. Don't be deceived.

I personally think it is all a plan to Christianize Mormonism for the masses so that Mitt Romney will have a shot at getting the evangelical vote he lost last election. Fools like James Robison and Richard Land are playing the devil's fiddle.

Well, I noticed the Mormon church did some extra advertising after that particular radio program of which I think was a response to try to proselytize some “Christians?” who were weak in their faith. You will notice an increase in advertising by the Mormons around Easter and Christmas too. They might send you a free Bible or book but you will soon have a Mormon missionary visiting you and will only tell you what they want you to hear.

Well, I guess I can cool down a bit. This was an email conversation I had a few weeks ago after I did a Facebook post on the subject:

Keep fighting the fight of faith Ed. I appreciate you brother. I didn't know this was aired on Fox News too. Wow, Glenny made the most of these well known Christian's statements to his advantage. I like Glenn's stand on most conservative issues but I draw the line on his religious views.

Glenn Beck: Christian or not?

I received this email this morning: The writer copied me on a response he sent to a friend regarding the Beck is Christian program.

You asked what I thought about Glenn Beck's July 13, 2010 Gospel presentation on his Fox News program. Below is a paragraph I lifted from Beck's presentation. Beck is correct. I do not consider Mormonism to be a Christian denomination. The Mormon Church has been trying to be recognized as a Christian denomination for years and Glenn Beck is exactly what the Mormon Church has been looking for to validate their claim. The Jesus of the Mormon Church is not the same Jesus that you and I worship. Only after Beck announces that he is leaving the Mormon Church will I believe he is a Christian in a Biblical sense. The Devil comes in many disguises. I have a copy of the Book of Mormon if you would like to read it.

This was taken from a transcript I found on Glenn's website just about a week ago when he was exposing black liberation theology. Glenn is a good man but not a Biblical Christian - not yet. Pray that his eyes will be opened.

"Now, I know people will say, Oh, Glenn Beck is a Mormon! He's not even a real Christian.

Beck: OK, fine. You can believe what you want. I am a man that needed atonement more than most people. But I know the game, so I called Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. I wanted to make sure that mainline Christianity has the same definition of individual salvation that I have. He agreed that salvation is an individual relationship between a person and God through Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth and the light." I can't be saved for someone else and they can't be saved by me. When Jesus died on the cross he died for everyone that ever lived, but individually. It was one act for the entire collection - it was for each person individually."

You are so right.. I have been getting emails of Beck being a real Christian all morning… His use of the word, “Atonement” is a small clue that Beck is a real Mormon, albeit, not a theological giant. Salvation in Mormonism is totally different than that of biblical Christianity.

Problem here is this: to take Beck at his word here,

The non-aware Christian, those who love Beck's strong conservative viewpoints, will make that connection and the Mormons win a victory.

Beck also said that, “Another perversion is the concept of collective salvation”.

Ed: Yet, core LDS doctrine of salvation teaches that there are two salvations: the first is the result of Christ's death on the cross, one that provides the “general Salvation.” This is resurrection from the dead for all mankind.

In other words, Mormonism believes in Universalism or Universalistic Atonement as many of the preachers in the Emergent Church Movement also now teach and believe - this is a belief that all will at some point be resurrected and end up somewhere good or become something good like a god. This would explain why they are so big into genealogy and why they perform “in proxy” baptisms for millions that have already died called “baptism for the dead”. It's all a big process working to earn their god-ship someday and be god of their own planet, being married to many spiritual wives and having many spiritual babies to populate their own planet that they get to be god over. Read Genesis 3:5 about being as gods. To degrade Jesus' death on the cross down to this “general” salvation is not true biblical atonement at all but a false gospel with major cultic beliefs behind it. Read Isaiah chapter 53 also. This is about how God's wrath was poured out on Jesus for man's sins. This salvation is no more automatic as you becoming a car just because your mom gave birth to you in a garage. We must repent and believe.

Their “personal salvation” comes from their works that will be judged at the judgment table where their works and their `transgressions' are weighed and the result is the determination of to which of the three kingdoms they go.

Most Mormons seem to be really nice people but being nice doesn't get you into Heaven, nor does trying to earn your way by good works get you into Heaven or in their case and belief - get you into one of the three kingdoms (terrestial, telestial or celestial).

I pray that his statements will cause enough conflict with his Mormon leaders that he will be `corrected' enough that his brain will get in low gear and he will leave the church for the real Jesus - the real salvation.

One of the biggest problems us evangelists have to deal with is comments made by big name national ministers like James Robison who don't know anything about a particular religion or cult and then, unknowingly, give credence to some degree to these false gospels and religions. We seen Joel Osteen on the Larry King show do the same thing just a few years back. If you don't know what they believe, it would be better to say that and say you don't want to comment on that subject. When you got someone on the streets who is obviously not born again and they LOVE their sin and not Jesus but someone gave them assurance of salvation just because they repeated a prayer that you can't find in the Bible anywhere, it gives the evangelists that know what they are doing just one or two more hurdles to have to jump over when talking to that person.

From the e-mail bag: Beyond my pay scale

I have read your comments about Mormon baptisms for the dead. It seems as though you are suggesting that certain people should be deemed unworthy of any future salvation. Is this the case? And if so, who are you to judge?

Ed: I base my comments on what the bible says are the conditions of salvation and I see no scripture that implies there is some second chance salvation after death nor are my comments on this strange subject some form of `judging' anyone.

Wow, even the Mormons have learned how to twist the scriptures in using the “judge not that you be not judged” defense. First of all, the Bible says to make righteous judgments and to be fruit inspectors.

Here is one of many scriptures that tell us to judge. We have to read “all” scripture in context along with how it fits in all canonized scripture.

Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

If you don't judge a person's fruit, how in the world can you know that they are falling away from the truth so that you can go to them and try to restore them? How would a pastor know to leave the 99 to go restore the 1 if he didn't know the one was falling away?

If someone is preaching a false or perverted gospel, I say the same thing as the apostle Paul when he says - “let them be accursed.”

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

That should grab you. What is Mormonism founded upon? - an angel appearing to Joseph Smith who gave him another gospel.

Secondly, the Bible already says that they are condemned already. God Himself has declared all under sin and unrighteous. Ed is just warning them of that condemnation that they will receive if they don't turn to God and believe upon Christ for the real reasons.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

People need to read past John 3:16 once in a while. The problem here is that the church is suppose to be the light of the world now but the church hides its light under a basket so men don't even know that they are in darkness and even worse, many in the church or who at least claim to be a Christian are living lives that look more despicable than the world. You have “self-proclaiming” Christians fornicating and committing adultery with the unsaved. How can anyone say they love Jesus and the very person they should be trying to lead to the Lord, when they are causing them to go to Hell by sinning with them? You can't get anymore deceptive than that. Or should I say, you really don't believe if your heart is in that condition.

Anyhow, it takes a righteous man like Ed Decker who cares enough to tell the truth to Mormons to make these “righteous” judgments so that he can lead some of them to the Lord and convert them to TRUE Christianity. Do you think he doesn't love Glenn Beck? He would love to have him on our side preaching the truth as I would also and do pray for him.

Okay, I understand. It just seemed like you were taking issue with certain people more than the practice itself. For all we know, those people repented before they died, and accepted the Lord. We just do not know.

Ed: You are correct in that.

If there is no second chance for salvation after death, what happens to those "heathens" that were born never having heard of Jesus? You know, like the Chinese?

Ed: A bit beyond my pay scale. I figure that a God who created the worlds can figure that out himself. His son told us to go to the ends of the earth to proclaim His salvation. I am still working on that one. I'll wait till I am done there before I get too concerned about the ones I missed.

Good answer Ed. Everyone should be trying to reach someone. On another note, this man writing to Ed is throwing out what is called a “straw-man argument”. Who said that, “there are those who have never heard”? We don't know that for sure. The Chinese are actually a very good example of how God gets the gospel to people even under Communistic rule which is coming to America soon by the way. About 1/4th of the entire population in China is now born-again and truly saved. Many over there do not even want us to pray for the fall of Communism because Communism is what keeps them sold out for Jesus. They know their citizenship is in Heaven and know what it is to “take up their cross daily.” They had to count the cost before they became a Christian over there knowing that there decision might mean death or imprisonment the very next day.

I have heard maybe two sermons in 27 years by an evangelist or pastor that even mentions “counting the cost” to be a Christian in their evangelistic sermons. We recently lost 20 million to the Emergent Church Movement in three to five years time and I believe we will lose another 20 to 50 million if things really do get bad over here. Why? We didn't tell them to count the cost before making a decision to follow Jesus. Instead, we told them that Jesus wants to be your Sugar Daddy and give you everything your precious little heart has ever desired. Oh, and that sin that you won't turn from (repentance), not a big deal - just repeat this prayer after me and you will be set free to sin more. Yes, I said SIN MORE. That's been the gospel message that many have given over the last 50 years.

So this man is hitting Ed with a straw-man argument. The real question should be, “Why don't 98% of Christians who claim to be Christian share their faith regularly especially when 40% of Jehovah Witnesses go out door-to-door every single month?” If we believe people are going to Hell without Christ, shouldn't we be living holy lives and doing everything we can to reach them?

Now, according to scripture, people who die in their sins will go to Hell whether they heard the gospel or not and they will be judged by God's moral standard which is the Ten Commandments. The Bible says they are still UNDER law. Everybody has broken the Ten Commandments. This should be sobering to every Christian out there. What are you doing with your life? Are you more concerned with your retirement, or playing tennis or golf every single day, or watching TV all day, but you don't care or make an effort to reach anyone or take time to disciple someone? I'm done preaching but that is my call to the Body - to preach. And they all said AMEN! Well, at least a few did and a few may be repenting right now and getting the real Jesus.

Finally for those of you who like to interact with other apologists and Mormons, visit [and sign up at] my Facebook group, called Christian Apologetics, at http://www.facebook.com/album.php?profile=1&id=101384683248858#!/group.php?gid=95168041624

Here is a chance for everyone to do some evangelism if you are too afraid to go one on one publicly with them. Learn what Mormonism teaches and then go try to reach a few of them.